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Nixon White House Counsel John Dean Sees Uphill Climb For Trump In Leaks Fight

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John Dean is very familiar with the Trump administration's declared war on leaks. Dean, who was President Richard Nixon's White House counsel, says Nixon's battle against leaks proved costly and led to the Watergate scandal.

Dean revealed the former Republican president's involvement in the attempted cover-up and pleaded guilty to his own role.

While Dean has made comparisons between the current White House and the Nixon administration, he told NPR's David Greene that the leaks about President Trump appear to be more personal in nature. Leaks under Nixon pertained to potential strategic decisions in Vietnam, he said, but leaks about Trump have been "regarding his attitudes towards the national security community, which has not been a particularly healthy relationship."

"I think that there is some disagreement with the Trump presidency and Trump's qualifications to be president," added Dean, who has been critical of Trump.

Interview Highlights

How the Trump administration faces an uphill climb in fighting leaks, without firm law in place to target leakers

The [George W. Bush White House] assembled about a half a dozen statutes that kind of built the equivalent of what the United Kingdom has, [which] is an Official Secrets Act. We have never done that. We've considered it and assumed it would not bear up under scrutiny at the Supreme Court because of the First Amendment.

Why comparing current Russia investigations to Watergate is still valid, even if it's not quite "Watergate 2.0" (the White House has denied any wrongdoing)

There are comparisons because first of all, Watergate was about influencing an election, the '72 election. ... The echoes I hear are there is clearly a cover-up in the White House. If you did not want to have all this suspicion about what they're doing, you'd have everybody who was involved come into a room and say, "OK, I want sworn affidavits. I want to clean this up. I don't want to have this hanging over my administration, and I want it done yesterday."

Well, that's exactly the opposite of what they're doing. So this is very similar to — this is the pattern in Watergate. The firing of [FBI Director James] Comey to ask to him to stop the investigation of [former national security adviser Michael] Flynn was not unlike Nixon sending the CIA or the FBI to get them to cut off the investigation. There are echoes, and during Watergate, we wrote what you shouldn't do. We wrote the book on it. And Trump doesn't even seem to know what happened.

What kind of conversations seem to be happening at the White House about the Russia investigations

There has been a change in tone in the last few days. They're not quite as aggressive in trying to discredit the investigation. Maybe they've figured out that rather than trying to fight everything, to try to get the investigation over. ... I tried the same thing [with Watergate] to get it over, and it led to the cover-up of the cover-up, which went on for another year-plus.

Nicole Hernandez adapted this interview for the Web.

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